Im begging you, Awkward Army. They also only had this happen to them twice before they stopped showing up early. Before you ask, think about your personal or business privacy concerns. My partner had a, You should come to our party next Saturday! Sure! conversation at a party, and, being Irish, she figured it was a friendly fun thing that people say and promptly forgot about it. You dropped in and your neighbors offered you a Coke and you laughed and chilled out for half an hour and then you left. Friend: Oh great! I work in an open plan office (which I hate but deal with), so during work hours I just assume people are going to walk up to my desk and want something from me. The easiest way to get a guy to invite you over is to suggest the idea to him in a way that will make it nearly impossible for him to say no. Its both a blessing and a curse when people know youre at home all day because it also happens to be where you work. As long as you can do the activity at your house, you're good to go! Hilariously, when he came to pick me up recently he was going to come to the door and ring the bell, but Id seen the car drive up and was ready to go. I use Handcent SMS instead. But. I can still say no of course, but it becomes rather rocky when it shouldnt have to. Anyway, youre describing this as though everyone knows whats expected, which is what I disagree with. Even if it was their idea. Sometimes when we are in town visiting his friends will just stop in because they saw our car. I am firmly in camp Ask, but my midwestern relatives are not. As my original comment notes, I was confused that the term seemed to be being used to describe all sorts of in-advance-of-company cleaning. Not asking if the woman feels safe meeting at home. And will happily cook a meal for unexpected guests because she enjoys doing it. Whereas I would be absolutely fine with a call or a text from the driveway but ringing my bell without warning runs the risk of sending me into an anxiety spin. This particular aspect of socialising is difficult for everyone so I hope LW doesnt get down on themselves about it. My ideal is a phone call from a passenger as the driver gets close, or a phone call by the driver from the loading zone. Not even family or closest friends. And its also a problem you can fix, without awkwardness or hurt feelings. Moreover, I dont quite understand what I said wrong (I wish I could remember the exact words I used). You go on a date and really enjoy it, you guys hang out, drink and have a good time. People seem to vary widely, so Im a big proponent of Ask, not Guess. The following conversation ensued: Please just. But this too shall pass, and I will continue to sock away money into my GTFO Fund as fast as my problem child POS vehicle allows. The fact that you dont find it rude, and would love for people to do it, is valid. Couple that with a dusty house due to old heating systems, three cats who I swear shed their entire body weight every week, anxiety and depression, and just having other stuff to do, well, my house does need a couple of hours of cleaning to get company-ready. Her friends tendency to just withdraw a little makes it unlikely that asking will yield good results. If someone in your social circle is throwing a. Ill only use that one if I know that friend in question will be able to say no and we can laugh it off, and usually give an out. You may say something like, "That sounds great. Things you should offer to do: Help prep or cook meals; set the table and do the dishes; offer to drive; occupy the kids while their parents take a well-deserved nap; fix a little something around the house if you have the skills; or take the dog for a walk. No kidding. I once had a friend invite himself along on a trip to Europe. He did the whole I dont mind a mess, I understand! thing, sat himself down, and proceeded to talk about his church for about 20 minutes. On the individual level as well. You should totally come by and I mean that in the most Brazilian way. If shes low on spoons then the choice between feeding us and changing me vs tidying up, then the housework will have to be deferred. Me too! YES SAME. Home vs. work,surprise! vs. planned, andyou inviting yourself vs. her inviting you,speak to escalating levels of intimacy. Then she's probably looking for an exciting night between the sheets. when I was in high school: I own a phone for my convenience, not yours. I apply this to the doorbell as well. Advance notice gives us time to put on Social Face (brush hair, brush teeth, put on clothes that dont do double duty on a scarecrow or Halloween decoration, plus whatever tidying up around the house/shame cleaning we feel compelled to do) and to sort out our work/chore schedule around the visit. But with more scheduling and perhaps busier roads and less societal tolerance for kids walking somewhere by themselves, maybe the amount of arranging that a kid can take on at a given age and ability level has decreased. Come for dinner tonight at 8:00 is an invitation, Come by later is Hey, glad to see you, we should catch up at length soon. I havent spent time in Brazil, so I dont know if thats a Brazilian thing or a dudes-who-grew-up-with-M-specifically-where-he-grew-up thing but it is a real thing, and M. has had to rethink and clarify it for American friends now that he lives here., Its absolutely a Brazil thing, hahahahaha. And Im usually ok w/ that. - Inviting Myself Along DEAR INVITING MYSELF ALONG: I suspect 2. I have a completely different set of habits, displayed personality traits, etc. The easiest way to get a guy to invite you over is to suggest the idea to him in a way that will make it nearly impossible for him to say no. If you are sure about him then just go ahead and ask him and the truth is he probably wont say no if he desires the same thing as you. ), ps. Regardless, Im wondering how big a transgression this is- another blog said that inviting your self over to someones home is viewed as rude and presumptuous and should only be done seldom with a very, very close friend. noticing the feeling It'd be too much trouble to formally ask everyone each time. You know this, Im sure, but do not invite yourself to the baby shower. Eventually the pursued individual just grows weary of all the unwanted attention, and starts responding sharply (if they respond at all) when the other person wont gracefully take the hint and back off. More answers below Cheryl Robinson-Atwood Former RN (1996-2009) Author has 2.4K answers and 1.9M answer views Dec 13 Sponsored by Forbes Advisor Best pet insurance of 2023. She may ask you to pass her her bag or move around you to get her bag. Thats theyre decision as an adult. I dont understand it. I didnt even feel bad, they should know better than to accept an invitation from the boyfriend of the friend of the child of the host anyway, unless its an invitation to an 80s college movie kegger. So for a long time I didnt trust that any plans were real until they were actually happening. I know people who do this (I am not one of them, however). Ooh I hadnt made that connection between eating and cleaning. I dont live my life in such a way that Im always prepared for unexpected visitors. I am still wondering if I have no manners, if my expectations are all screwed up, etc, but a counselor will hopefully help with that. What was once acceptable dropping in randomly, a friendly chat over the mail, etc. BUT.is it because you assume that is the case when you happen to know someone was in the area and yet didnt drop round? It says a lot about Monica (and me) that this is the way she expresses both her care for her friends and her need to be seen as caring and we could all do a deep dive on the psychology of that if we wanted, but I dont think thats the point. The need to suddenly clean would discomfit me, sure, but I would be more bothered by some of the above. She has been known to call AND SHOW UP IN PERSON WITHOUT AN APPOINTMENT at my workplace, even. Similarly, if a bunch of friends meet every weekend to take part in some group activity, there may be an unspoken invitation that anyone who's interested in the same thing is welcome to come along and join in. Even if I cant have that, I do like the occasional text of Im at the grocery store near you; how about I stash my stuff in your fridge and we hang out for a bit? on random evenings. Thank you! She said said I was the one getting married, I could invite whomever I wanted. I dont like surprises so thats the bad part. 1.4. (7 Key Reasons). I had a hard time getting back into the workforce with a gap in my resume and have since earned two degrees (for a total of four, now) to make myself more marketable. You may be as creative as you want, and if you are competent at cooking, they will be impressed if they say yes to your invitation. Yeah, my schedule generally involves napping for several hours in the middle of the day. Ive had way too many experiences of feeling like Im intruding to do otherwise. It would be a hassle to ask everyone they meet, "Hey, we mountain bike. Well Im not going to call that one up to talk about our awesome plans, or afterwards to talk about how awesome it was*. I am so glad asking this question because its one Ive also had, although in my case Im on the other side of the fence Im friends with the mom, and her daughter likes my kids, but they cant stand her. Its safer in any situation to assume a no unless you give me an explicit yes. Its definitely a different dynamic from things like uni friends where its a smaller and tighter group that you hang out with them in person all the time though. Would you like to hang out at the mall on Sunday. Ive had a personal experience with a partner that lived a very compartmentalized life because lets just say. And when someone turns up unannounced, without invitation, I do worry that the person might have a wildly different balance of needs to me, and that responding positively the first time sets up a precedent and an understanding that I am Cool With That. Growing up society has taught you that most men prefer to be initiative takers and it gets scary when a woman takes the lead. Always make room for a gracious no. I cringe looking back on friendships where I was getting soft nos for literally months and cheerfully failing to put them into context (Hmm, maybe this person who is always busy and never calls me back doesnt want to see me! Of course, people who don't pick up on that assumption may unintentionally feel excluded. Now that there isnt a standard, or at least not one I received, unexpected visits turn into waiting games with awkward dancing around getting someone to leave at the end. Want to come? I sent out the wedding invitations to all my friends. I know for me, its a bit of both. drifting? Keep it to ones self, I say. I think Miss Manners would concur that its incredibly rude to discuss plans in front of those who have been excluded (not by accident, but intentionally). I have pretty much had it. Thanks again guys! Golden. That sort of cleaning, which I know not everyone does or enjoys, is not shame based. Basically: asking in advance/leaving your buds/acquaintances the option to refuse is always always always the safer choice in my opinion. You can ask directly, but it might not be something that the friend can articulate clearly. An ex-partner of mine used to plan their scheduling (work, social and romantic) very tightly. (when i say something i would have expected to be invited to i mean something others in a similar or seemingly less close relationship with them were invited to. That being said, I would check in with yourself and ask, are you still spending solo time with your friends? In those circumstances, you dont enjoy cleaning much, I can tell you. But Im also very careful to err on the side of caution with their boundaries, because I know they wont tell me if I violate them; theyll just be angry and pretend not to be. Were in a cultural phase where Are we still on for tonight? is an actual question people text you 15 minutes before youre supposed to meet them, and its so great to hang out with someone for whom Come by my place Saturday at 9:30 means I will go by their place Saturday, at 9:30 without any further confirmation or negotiation being necessary. And I agree that its up to both sides, the person doing the rejecting to communicate clearly and consistently, and the rejectee gracefully taking the hint. Movies are dark and great for making out, and you won't risk giving him the wrong impression. Admit it, neither one of you wants the date to end. Frequently saying no is going to cause problems with even the most dedicated Asker, so the prudent course is to say it strongly once, even if the idea of occasionally saying yes isnt awful. Different strokes and all.). Me: Option 1: Ummmm okay I guess. Option 2: I dont want to do that *explain why*. Maybe by unpacking this for you we can make a lot of people feel more comfortable and less anxious about this. Saying no can be hard for me, especially if youre at the front door. Oh man the people who will turn up at the door and then call/text. If you try TWICE to schedule something with someone you dont know very well. I try to make it clear in my texts that the visit is (a) optional and (b) short duration. The main reason I was even playing Destiny was to try to reconnect with someone. In-laws decided to visit. A soft no is still a no. If shes the one who called you out for inviting yourself, then you know now that shed prefer you wait for an invitation. People might suffer my presence, but a lot of invites were basically to everyone in the group but me and maybe one or two other fringe members. Or as they are also known, mess-makers. My spouse prefers to wait outside so as to offer minimal inconvenience to whoever is doing us the favor of driving. As someone who *likes* being dropped in on, I still have certain caveats: Why do people wear shoes in the house? If you can learn to be a bit easygoing about this, you will come across as a very relaxed, chill dude [person] who is not afraid to ask someone out [take the lead socially] but who doesnt hold on too tightly. Even hahahaha, I get what you mean. Again, thats just me, now, in a large American city where most people I know have cell phones. Attempts to join group events have gone horribly wrong (like going to lunch when someone asked, who wants to go to lunch? and realizing once I was there that the invitation was actually only for men, which I am not), which just reinforces my need for an explicit invitation. You could for instance say, I would like to invite you over to my place but my roommate is not so cool with that . Are you going to start showing up at my home when I was counting on alone time and I look like a raggedy doofus because Im wearing an old tank top and a sports bra? This is a source of endless guilt to me. Just follow these tips Alan Garner lays out in Conversationally Speaking: Keep a dual perspective. Then suddenly it became not okay for ME to do that. Get a small to medium sized bag for your things. I mean, were all grown-ups now, and a valuable adulting skill is learning that you arent automatically awarded an invitation because youre Part Of The Group. Obviously a glass of water isnt an imposition, especially if youve been riding a bike around, but it feeds into number 1. Ive never considered this dilemma from this particular angle (already doing something vs. not doing something). Answer door, welcome cousin with open arms. Be blunt. I love playing host, its true, but I use that phrase consciouslyplaying host. Its a role that I choose to put on, and it is not one that I would expect (or want!) In the case at hand, LW, your friend has made it clear that just dropping by because youre in the neighborhood is Not To Be Done, so dont. and if someone doesnt go away and my dogs arent already loose in the house (and therefore at the front door barking at the person to GO AWAY), I can also from this position get to wherever the dogs are kept without being seen, if I am careful and let them loose to express their barky opinions up against the door glass. If its going to be a regularly scheduled thing, then either setting up a scheduled hang out, or just giving me a heads up that this is a thing that is happening and that you would like to hang out is better. Big +1 on the relevance of the increasing distance here. Good question! Were all moving to different cities now so I guess it wont be a problem any more with that specific group. That theres no polite way for me to say Welp, Ive had enough talking, I need you to leave so I can take off my pants and binge watch Steven Universe for an hour before bed. It hadnt occurred to me that it would come across that way, and Im sorry. Architecture and city planning has a lot to do with it; I cant imagine it happening in suburbs where houses are widely-spaced and hard to travel between. Not everyone is comfortable with being brutal to friends is not the same thing as nobody is comfortable with being brutally honest with friends and you cant ever ask your friends to BE honest because obviously theyd find that uncomfortable, and you should just LEARN. Do they seem loose and easygoing about these kinds of social rules, or are they more proper and formal? We slept at one anothers houses. Im glad Im not the only person who got a needy vibe from that. In my experience, No Soliciting signs are ineffective. So there is one more game to play, one more thing to try together. A lot of it probably is the presumption of intimacy of showed up at my house compared to showed up at my work. My bathroom at home is also the guest bathroom and I kind of want to tidy up slightly embarrassing but totally normal hygiene products before someone uses it? I have a friend who has really bad social anxiety (which paired with my own anxiety is not always a fun time). 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